Address Lists

[ChickenParm2Go]

If my Hockey Address List is so bad, crap as one unregistered collector called it (it's very easy to be brave when you're identity is unknown), why have 178 hockey collectors bought it since January 1st 2003 and have reported back to me successes that come out to a success rate of 82.4% from their mailings.

As far as Pierre Jarry, get off the fixation on a few players that don't sign. They don't owe you or anybody else autographs. If a player doesn't want to sign and returns mail sent to him, let it go and try writing to the players on the list that are happy to sign autographs.

One last point, less than 3 collectors from this forum took the time to email me and let me know what addresses were bad. What am I? A mind reader. I can't update the lists if you don't tell me they're not current addresses.

So, who do I believe? 100s of satisfied collectors that write to tell me of the successes they have with my lists, or a few whiners who can't get it into their heads that some players won't sign if you held a gun to their heads, some players will sign anything you stick in front of them and the rest will sign but charge for their autographs.

Harvey

[BORK]

Well said.

[goaliefan]

Harvey I am one of the people who have bought your address
hockey list, its being helpful in getting autographs, I would
like to know is do you try the adresses to see if they are the
right peple?
and on your next updated list can you say which players sign,
dont sign or charge money to sign?

Also I dont believe that you should have addresess of current
NHLers on your list, people should write to them care of thier
teams.

One thing that people should be a-ware of when buying you
list is that people do move.

I have heard that alot of people have not gotten an autograph
from Pierre Jarry does he sign or are they using the wrong
address?

Dont try and please everybody, it cant be done

[ChickenParm2Go]

Thanks for your response. I really do appreciate it. It's good that you realize that not everyone is going to sign autographs through the mail.

Regarding the addresses, yes, I do send out letters to new addresses to verify them before I put them on my lists. Right now, I have over 200 letters in the mail, to confirm addresses for about 110 new players that will be on the next update list.

Where I ran into trouble in the past (and this has all been corrected) is that I was working with a group of collectors, who mailed to nobody other than hockey players. They would report back to me, what addresses worked, what addresses didn't and send me any new addresses they came across. The problem with one particular collector is that he was a friend of the guy in MA that produces another hockey list and he was sending me phony addresses, same name as the player, but not the player. Because he has supplied me with so many good addresses in the past, and he said the addresses were successful, I had no reason to question the validity of the addresses. I guess he thought he was helping his friend, being that his list competed with mine. Altogether I received about 47 phony addresses from him, and during the course of the last 12 months, they were discovered and removed from my list.

As far as addresses for current NHL players, I disagree with you. Most players don't mind mail sent to their homes, and take the mail of road trips to kill time. The fact is, also, less and less teams are forwarding mail, both to current and previous players.

Athletes do move, more frequently than regualr people, because they have made a lot more money during their careers and can afford to. When you buy a list, even the day after it's printed, 5% of that list is already outdated due to moves. Also, what a lot of bpeople don't consider is that athletes, particularly in hockey, keep homes in the US and Canada, and it's a matter of when you mail to then. Why mail to an obvious off season address during the hockey season? Most likely the family will have it returned and then I get blamed for a bad address.

The Pierre Jarry address was received from a printed alumni address list from one of his ex-teammates, and I belive it to be current. He has always been a difficult signer by mail. That's something that a lot of collectors don't accept. Most collectors feel they have a right to every players autographs, just because they want it and don't accept it when a player doesn't respond. The address is bad automatically.

Thanks for your comments. I really do appreciate them.

Harvey

[goaliefan]

Thanks Harvey

when is your new hockey address list coming out?
and how much is going to cost?

[ChickenParm2Go]

January 2004 and it will be $15 plus postage (2.50 to The US, 4.00 to Canda) US Funds only please

Harvey

[Unregistered]

HARVEY
I KNOW IT'S $15.00 + SHIPPING IN JAN /04.
I HEAR ALOT OF GOOD THINGS, ABOUT THE LIST, BUT
I COLLECT ONLY DETROIT REDWINGS AUTO'S.
I MOSTLY NEED PLAYERS SUCH AS DALE MCCOURT, BRENT ASHTON,TORRIE ROBERTSON, GREG SMITH, TROY CROWDER AND SO ON.
MOSTLY RETIRED PLAYERS OR COMMON PLAYERS, NOT THE HOF PLAYERS TED LINSDAY TYPE OR THE GOOD PLAYERS.
IS IT REALLY WORTH IT, FOR ME TO BUY THIS LIST.
IT'S A GOOD LIST TO BUY, I GO TO SIGNINGS IN USA AND CANADA,
PRICE WISE FROM $5.00 TO $50.00US PHOTO NOT INCLUDED.
LAST QUESTION , IS THERE A WEB SITE, TO BUY RETIRED HOCKEY PLAYERS 8X10 PHOTOS, FOR THEM TO SIGN.
WHERE DO I SEND THE MONEY TO. THANKS 19SCOOTER

[loach33]

Harvey,

I just want to thank you for the list. My brother and I puchased your list either in February or March this year. We have had around a 90% success rate in about a six month period.

I just have a question or comment. If I have a return to sender, could I e-mail you (the e-mail address that is on your list) to let you know that the address you have on your list is bad. As you have said some players move or get traded, the player that I had RTS has at least four homes that I known of.

Will be looking forward to purchase an update list in 1/04.......

[ChickenParm2Go]

Thanks for the kind comments about the address list. I'm glad you're having such a good success rate. I'm jealous because my success rate this year is at 84.2% :-)

Sure, you can email RTS ers to me. Please, just remember to include the address that was invalid and I'll email you back with an update. Please use the email address on my website, as I recently changed ISP accounts so I could get DSL service, which wasn't available in my area from the old provider.

The 2004 update will be a monster. I already have confirmed addresses for over 80% of the active NHL players (most are off season, permanent addresses) and quite a lot old timers that I've had success finding.

Check my website in a few months for the announcement of the updates........www.sportsaddresslists.com

Best always,

Harvey

[rebel ice]

i HAVE JUST COME ACROSS THIS BOARD. I ONLY COLLECT MY LOCAL TEAM HERE IN NORTHERN IRELAND. ALSO WORK AT THE ARENA SO DON'T HAVE PROBLEM OFF GETTING AUTOGRAPHED CARDS. MAIN PROBLEM I HAVE IS GETTING THEIR CARDS WHEN THEY PLAYED IN MINOR LEAGUES OR NHL LEAGUE.

I TRIED WRITING AND E-MAILING AN NHL TEAM TO SEE IF THEY HAD OR PRODUCED TRADING CARDS. THAT IS BUSINESS, NOT ASKING THEM TO SEND OR GIVE A LETTER TO A PARTICULAR PLAYER. THAT TEAM IS STILL MY FAVORITE HOWEVER THERE PR DEPT DIDN'T HAVE THE COURTESY TO REPLY EITHER IN WRITING NOR BY E-MAIL, NEITHER DID THEY RETURN THE LETTER. I KNOW THEY WILL GET A LOT OFF MAIL BUT WHEN A LETTER ARRIVES FROM OVERSEAS YOU THINK THEY WOULD REPLY!

AS FOR PLAYERS CHARGING FOR THEIR AUTOGRAPH I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT. REASON BEING IF IT WHERE NOT FOR THE FANS WHERE WOULD THEY BE ? IT IS THE FANS WHO GIVE THEM THE FOLLOWING THEY HAVE. THEY MAY BE NOT ABLE TO GIVE EVERYONE AT THE TIME BUT IF PEOPLE ARE PLEASANT OT THEM THEY SHOULD BE POLITE AND SAY THAT IS ALL THEY ARE SIGNING.EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY

[gory]

I have recently come across this board, and I wanted to add my two cents about Harvey's lists. Plain and simple - they are well worth the money! Sure, you will come across the odd mistake or two, but show my any list that is 100% accurate. Not Smalling's baseball lists. Not Aponte's hockey lists. I only collect autographs from one NHL team, and I would have to estimate that I have collected 75-80 autographs in the last 1 1/2 years, strictly from addresses on Harvey's lists. And, if you take the time to notify Harvey about any changes (and do so in a polite and friendly manner), he is always more than happy to see if he can come up with an accurate address for the player that you seek.

If any of you are trying to decide as to whether or not to spend the money on Harvey's lists, my advice is spend the $$$ - you will not be sorry.

[Unregistered]

Why don't you stop whining about everything? You bitch because people are asking for addresses, you bitch because no one wants to pay $15 for your book (which I hear is a joke) that you can get all the addresses you want for free on infobel or star archieves. Just because we don't want to waste our money with, does not mean we can't send stuff to players or ask for addresses from fellow collectors. I have about 1000 addresses that I would gladly give to anyone who asked for them...free.